=VG= Kavelenko

Hey Maverick that's good to hear perhaps it was just one guy having an under spec machine?

At the moment there isn't the player interest in Squad to justify hosting VG server, as Semler posted in the thread below it takes a lot of dedication and time to keep something like that running.

I was reading some of the comments about Squad on steam and some players are leaving the game due to the screen freezes which seem to plague the game. Don't know whether its a huge issue or not because I don't have it but sounds like they need to fix that before they add more heavy assets otherwise it will be unplayable.

Squad looks nicer than PR but as we all know its not always about the aesthetics sometimes; for me, its the gaming community and mates that keeps you coming back to PR.

5 hours ago, =VG= Blazer said:

Nice video Kav.

Just one point (correct me if I'm wrong) but you need to set the distance first then call in the Airstrike. This creates a yellow marker for CAS to see on the map. If you don't the game corrects you and says "You need to set the distance..."

However, Its not required as CAS can lock on to the Laze either way but it really helps! It allows them to pinpoint exactly where the laze is, this can also apply to setting a spot marker or calling in an Area Attack.

Also, it goes without saying, communication with the CAS squad leader is key. Avoids accidental lazes and teamkills...

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Putting it simply;

1.Use GLTD

2.Find Range by left clicking (Also sets the Laze)

3.Set Range using the "commo rose"

4.Call in CAS / Set marker (Spot) / Area Attack using the "commo rose"

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@=VG= Kavelenko If you are free sometime, do you want to work on an Area Attack video with me? We can get both the squad leader and commander perspectives.

Hi Blazer,

Yeah that's a good point actually about setting the distance especially for stationary targets. Most of my targets are moving so I don't usually use that function but its a good call to include the extra marker for CAS, it all helps. When you've got an angry AAV bearing down on you, it takes me all my time to get a lase to stick without exposing myself to a range call. I would have liked to gotten more footage from the gunner's perspective to round that tute off as well.

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 @=VG= Kavelenko If you are free sometime, do you want to work on an Area Attack video with me? We can get both the squad leader and commander perspectives.

Sure thing just let me know what time you want to do it.

I don't know anyone here who plays Squad. We have a few that still play Arma 3 though.

A tutorial on the basics of Lasing targets for CAS using the GTLD (Ground Target Laser Designator).

This tutorial may be useful for Harrier Pilots in Project Reality who are having trouble doing vertical take offs and landings.

Hey Blud,

Does it have a decent joystick setup now? I have the first version of BattleFront and that had crappy game controllers which I found to be off putting. If they fixed that I might be tempted.

Latest update for VTOL. Too easy!

@Double

It would be good to see a video on how you guys fly the Harrier using the keyboard / mouse setup because  I had no idea about the bug where it inverts the controls when you tap S. I'm using a joystick which has a slider to control the throttle so I can set the throttle to a certain percentage (43%) and it will stay there. That is probably why I don't get that issue.

Anyway I did some more practice today, and have the VTOL landing sorted out quite nicely now.

I make sure I'm at 41-43% throttle, Air speed at 480 KTS, altitude 50m, 750m out from the carrier and go straight to hover keeping a nose up angle of 5 degs AOA, it has me hovering over the carrier deck at 30m.

Perfect every time.

@Double

50 feet is impressive, I did it at 7 Feet but that was in a BOT Harrier.

According to the manual the recommended AOA should not exceed 15 degs, and the transition from Jet-borne flight to wing-borne flight takes place at 50ft plus depending on obstacles.

Quote from manual:

'During accelerating transitions, angle of attack must not exceed 15°.
Over-rotation or high rotational rates may result in the AOA rising
uncontrollably even with the stick full forward. Uncontrollable pitch ups
are most likely to occur at extreme aft CG loadings and/or with the wing
flaps deflected more than 25°.'

Same with coming into land in VTOL, the objective is to get the jet to arrive at a hover over the designated LZ at around 50-60Ft.

With practice we may be able to transition from 50 ft but I'm more comfortable at 100 for the moment.

Hehe...the only time its dangerous is when a rogue BOT just takes off in their flying vacuum cleaner, without warning!!!

I'll be honest with you Blazer, I pretty much gave up trying to hover the Harrier from normal flight to land VTOL after PR screwed with the flight dynamics. I can do Vertical take offs fine but landing it is, like most people, disastrous.

So to get around my landing problems I used my lessons in BMS to help me land on the carrier in the conventional way.

Tonight I have recorded a session  (about 27 minutes) where I have managed to take off and land the Harrier vertically based on the way you land vertically, and tried to analyze what is going on here.

I think I have it pretty well worked out for me but if anyone else has more to add, feel free.

The dynamics that PR changed really stuffed most of the pilots up when it came to using the Harrier Jump jet, you used to be able to reverse throttle or hold down S and it would hover no problem at all.

Someone has changed those settings to simulate the need for AOA (Angle of Attack) which is a pretty fancy name for pointing the nose up at a certain angle when landing.

Well Blazer you nailed it when you mentioned holding down the S key and not taking your finger off. That is exactly correct! The biggest mistake pilots are making in PR is that they are not going nose up BEFORE they hit the hover button, and probably not slowing the Harrier down enough either. I'm rendering the video at the moment but I'll write down the basics for what I think it is:

Vertical Take Off

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1. Hold down the 'S' key and get the Harrier to 100ft/m (clear from the carrier)
2. Angle the nose of the Harrier to 5 deg AOA
3. Go to full throttle, keeping the nose at AOA the whole time
4. If you find yourself going too vertical, you can back off the throttle a bit until the nose drops again and then keep the throttle ON

Vertical Landing

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1. Plan your approach at least 1 to 2 NM out from your landing zone (carrier)
2. Get your approach speed down to below 500 KTS (knots) which is about 40-43% of throttle
3. Make sure your altitude is 100 ft/m depending on how good you are
4. Angle the nose of the Harrier to 5 deg AOA, and keep it there if you can
5. Hold the 'S' key down and keep it there until you achieve hover
6. You may over-shoot but that is a trial and error thing to get it right
7. Do not panic if the Harrier's nose begins to climb, so long as the air speed is dropping, the nose will come back down
8. Presto! You should be at hover at roughly 100ft/m above the deck of the carrier
9. If you don't know how to land a Harrier from this point you shouldn't be flying one!!

Note: If your approach air speed is nearer 400KTS you may find the Harrier doing weird shit like nose diving or going vertical, try to keep it closer to 500KTS

Credits to: Blazer, Static and SemlerPDX.

Great manual Static, I wonder how accurate BMS is to the VTOL and landing specs?

To land the harrier, get your approach speed down below 500KTS, AOA 5deg, and on contact with the deck pull the nose up (pull back on the joystick) to brake. Works for me.

If your approach speed is below 400 or less you are going into the drink nose first.

Thanks for all the work you do for the BMS server, look forward to trying the new server out!

Tell ya what @Melon muncher  if you included Dragon Valley and Oman in future COOP releases you'd attract quite a few people into PR, those two maps were winners!

The weapons in BFP4F were a lot nicer than what we get in PR. That M95 sniper rifle always felt like it was blowing you're target's head off from 350 meters, loved it. And the SKS was awesome for close quarter battles, most people hated the recoil but I got used to it. That Dragon Valley map brings it all back....lol.

Runs ok in local, how do we get into the server to check?

I've already done a YouTube video on setting up joysticks for Helicopters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUqQhbY6n9s&t=7s

so can one of our expert keyboard/mouse pilots do a tutorial on the fundamentals for take off/landings?

1 hour ago, =VG= Melon Muncher said:

Don't try to hover before landing, just come in fast and level using no engine and slide onto the LZ. The skids take zero damage so as long as they are the only thing touching the ground you can land as hard as you want.

I'd like to see you do that with a badly damaged Huey (on fire and alarms going off) and get away with it!

3 hours ago, Melwin said:

3 -Helis....well,I am able to take-off and land with the helicopters having the mechanism of jumping forward at take-off

The ones that don't,well expect me crash in 30s or 60s at most

Also maneuvering is a huge issue for me in Helicopters,

I take a sharp turn,I crash

I try to interfere with the nosing with my mouse,I crash

I try to turn slowly,expect me to go out of bounds and crash/die

So I need huge help for that

Melwin sounds to me like you have your mouse sensitivity up way too high for Helicopters, you can adjust that by press Esc, > Options > Controls

Take the mouse sensitivity way down to 0.9 and try that. You could also take the YAW and Pitch down to 1. Its a matter of trial and error and how you feel with the setup.

In game when you turn laterally this works better at slower speeds, once you get up to speed YAW is not effective, so you roll left or right with the mouse to turn. The rest is practice.

Its a good idea to practice hovering with control, landing smoothly, etc. Use the horizontal HUD marker to level yourself out with the horizon when coming in to land, get it level then back off the throttle slowly.

Good luck!

3 hours ago, =VG= TEDF said:

Yee

Awesome.

Hey TEDF is the Dalian map similar to this one I used to play on Battlefield Play 4 Free?

3 hours ago, =VG= SemlerPDX said:

Since the beginning of VG and the early days of VG PR COOP, we have enforced the Squad-Asset rule by specifically named Squads.  Back in those days, I played during the "off hours" mostly along with RobotFungus and LittleTortiaBoy, etc.
We found it necessary still to ensure assets that were claimed were not taken by someone else.  BUT - seeing as how someone who loses their asset will then wait for it to respawn, therefore taking care of their own claimed asset, I could see how mixed squads could exists during low player count times.

If this were to move forward in discussions, I'd like to hear how other servers operate during low population times.  If we ever approved mixed asset squads against the Squad-Asset Naming rule, there would need to be some designation that tells people that the Squad Leader knows they are operating mixed assets such as an "LP" designation in the Squad Name (or something equivalent).  Also, if approved, we would need to adjust the master VG PR Rules and possibly add notes in the MOTD's on the server(s) - and some public announcement here on the site as well as you Admins spreading the word to the peoples.

Until this IS approved by the majority of the VG Administration, let's stick with the rules and discuss the matter here.

 

Still wondering if anyone here is going to create a list of maps that would be more preferable during low population times.  It's literally all I need to make this system complete and to give it some testing...

Ok still in discussion mode.

I'm not expecting the Squad-Asset rule to be changed at all, I think its a very good set of rules and does eliminate arguments over ownership but it generally does not help  a small team of players who are trying to stop the ticket bleed.

We could, of course, all join the TRANS squad or a CAS squad to get around it but that seems like its the same idea as I'm proposing but with different Squad Titles.

We need a tank to support us so we create and join a tank squad, the tank gets blown up so we all leave the tank squad and join the APC squad, we need CAS so we abandon the APC and join the CAS squad, the pilot gets shot down so we all leave CAS and create and join a TRANS squad back on the carrier....lol.