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Yeahhh lol that came across wrong;) I ment Im in Why not like?

Why not?

Yea im up for it... Give me a time mate;)

yeah i have 6 spare copies of dota 2.... if anyone wants them lol..

Small... Small lol..... Legend... Yeah OMG RUGBY's on the exact starting time :O.... It. Shall. Be. Recorded!

yeah Bro, im good at any time really...

Not sure, Maybe just a quick runthrough before or even just a list of names of people who want to train as leaders, so they can spend the time doing basic with people and building confidence? Like If i wanted to, and you put me as a leader of a fireteam for the basic training you want to do, it would give me a better understanding of my role as a leader..

I think a good shout for this would be to establish who your leaders are... Who have learned to lead in the past, who are capable, and who Want to learn it! I know i've had a chat with 2 people who wouldent mind learning team leader skills, and its usefull to have them to teach other people then..

I've desided no more maybe - I'll be here.

yeah most lightly - I hope i'll be there ;-)

Yeah i remember using it, was quite usefull.

Like the Scope idea, seems quite interesting... always thought about it myself being as i dont like carrying around an M4 with an ACOG but i enjoy the iron sights... Then the situation comes where i need an ACOG and am like :/... The map idea is pritty good, i always enjoyed FTL more when i didnt see everyone on the map and had to communicate constantly, i remember on one mision where we had to relay coms though Murder in the A10 because we had a mountain between Delta ops, and the marines. I was going to start scriping a while back with Solar, Nothing really came of it though, about all i learned before we stopped was how to read a script well...

Right - I'd like to say quickly, my use of commander was stupid - i ment to put it as just someone who is constantly commanding you to do things where he cant see your point - Sorry for my miss use there... @Castor i Genuinly dont have anything against you personally.... Lets be honest we both know, We're not the best to put in a cage together... Everyones seen that we dont get along greatly... But i have nothing against you per say... We just seem like two people who wouldent get along outside of VG? just the way it is? We do differ on ideas quite regularly but? Meh its nothing... We differ on idea's of leadership that is evident.... I didnt mean to make you think i was personally attacking you, i didnt look back on my post thats my problem, now seeing it again it makes it look like i am trying to be extreamly offensive but i didnt mean it to sound like that mate. @Sem i respect that you see a diferent idea to me fair anuf mate. That one wasnt extreamly acurate on how i look at it either but? Its a ruff start on in my general opinion. Is that EVERYONE is individual and they should all be capable of leading themselfs and everyone should be taken into account like diferent people would prefer to fight in a diferent setting? and that it should be heard and used generally as it poses a big advantage if someone is comfy in that enviroment.. Like i personally would really not like being in a mortar team for fear of wounding my own team with a mistake... But yeah Castor i didnt mean for it to sound like it was personally against you mate - we just really really differ on idea's of leadership? In turn It seems both of us are as stubborn as each other lol and we're not gona give in so its something that is just going to have to be accepted... We still work fine in a team together and Hopefully still will after this.. EDIT: Sem i asume it was you that went through my first post and corrected spelling mistakes and sutch, cheers for that lol, Was in a rush when i typed it out and didnt really have time to check it all. PS. Love the helliboper

[quote] IMPORTANT: this is the part many do wrong, the more YOU talk the more you distract others specially the leader, DO NOT question your leader!(unless its possible to change the leader but this still should be done after asking for audience) this will put him in an awkward position which will cause others to question him and make the team less and less capable NO matter how experienced they are. FTL is there to connect the fireteam to the Squad, he also makes sure people stay in line and dont get left behind, he is there when everyone else is gone. he is the senior member of the team who can guide the rest of the team in many ways, from movement, firing direction and the choice of armament. also in most cases he is the grenadier also. if you don't like being bossed around you shouldn't play on events (depending on the type of event) And what do you mean no teamleaders, spec ops style? of course they have teamleaders! more like no teamleaders, internet style. @GAZ: we are not good infantry, in most missions most of us die and we usually also fail the missions, it doesnt matter how good you are on insurgency or domination, as said before they are just casual play, yes you can learn to shoot there but it doesn't help much because the AI wont work in the same way and they wont have the same armament. if we were good we wouldn't get casualties, and the missions would be done in a much quicker rate. sure there are worse but we haven't gotten better either. [/quote] I got some major isues with this reply - I'd like to get out the way, Spec ops squads have leaders, i never stated they dont. But to become spec ops you have to be a SGT. so everyone in the squad is asked before every mission on there ideas and plans because they have all seen war at the front, all fought, seen people die. Its needed to be spec ops, you dont find spec ops below sgt - They all have extream prior service, in my country you have to do 4 years service 6 in some branches and have to achive the rank of SGT or higher to be even remotly looked at for it. I never said they dont have TL's but everyones treated as if they are a TL. "@GAZ: we are not good infantry, in most missions most of us die and we usually also fail the missions" None of the lads are bad INF at all, some dont know all the basics, it happens? Training may help it? Maybe if you dump them in a hell hole with 2 other guys and they should pick it up real fast. The fact they are dying is from overcomplex commands. a team should understand all there objectives, AN FTL DOES NOT ORDER HIS MEN IN EVERY POSITION HE WANTS THEM TO MOVE TO. they decide this for themselves, you dont need to place every single shooter where you want, they have common sense and will get it done, giving them order after order after order is what gets them killed, its the stress from feeling they need to do what there FTL says all the time. And they dont. I wont listen to a leader that conastantly puts me in my positions and tells me how to fire my gun. i'll tell him to back off and stop trying to command me on everything. As i have done in the past. I think people should be capable enuf for working out firing direction and realizing what the squad needs E.G. the choice of armament. Movement is something a FTL should direct, after consulting his Team in most cases. fair enuf he has to take the initiative most of the time, and that you dont always have time to take other's needs into account. But asking your team, would you prefer using the treeline aproach or a urban aproach is a big difference in a warzone. Some guys find it easier to fight from the treeline, some find it easier to fight urban... its the needs of the team that should go first, not just Decision making because your pressured.. "this is the part many do wrong, the more YOU talk the more you distract others specially the leader, DO NOT question your leader!" I hate this line. A leader that is not questioned is a commander. No one likes commanders... they're annoying. I have and will always question my leader if someone is doing it wrong. and if i am leader i would expect ANYONE to question me. If im doing something wrong i dont give two craps about being embarrassed, i dont want them to get killed for my idiotic ideas. This is why people die, they fear telling there leader "You sir, are an idiot!" I believe its the best way to prove your point, and should be done whenever it is required. If a leader gets embarrassed because he did something wrong and someone told him about it? God thats just stupid.. He should take it on the chin and lead them to victory... I don't respect a leader who gets embarrased cause he was questioned but didn't care much about getting his men killed in the first place. "(the leader being questioned makes) the team less and less capable NO matter how experienced they are." This is so un-true, I'd respect anything Ingo, Sem, Poff anyone like that.. i dont care Spiers (E.G.) had a problem with what i was doing, he can tell me, It dosent make me less capable it makes me more adaptable. More minds to solve a problem never hurt, unless the problem is having too many minds. (Editor's Welsh to American translation: "..unless the problem is too many Chief's, not enough Indians") "if we were good we wouldn't get casualties" You say this? You believe LAMBS are the Shiz... you love them? Those guys (also) come back from missions with 2-5 guys left.. they die all the time.. they deal with it they dont argue they lol. on the helibopper back on how Nixxen blew up the Forward air controller and in turn the a10 bombed a truck full of there guys... It happens? its unavoidable. The ones you should question are the avoidable ones. Every team gets casualties, my methods seem to work, I have a record of only 1 fatality in my FT's except for bugs and when i had to take over for calv when he couldent play. In turn we had a jackle get RPG'ed but listening to your men is an incredibly important part of your role as a FTL and if one cant do it, one shouldnt lead. If you strongly belive no orders should be questioned, "FTL's are gods", then you're wrong in my eyes. and thats what causes ALL fatalities in battles. EDIT: Lol ruined my quote box if anyone could fix it. I'd be very happy for you to lol ;-)

The point I am trying to make here.. People are independant. They should have learned the basic skills by now. Sure some newer lads havent fair anuf. The basic consept is that if someones looking one direction. Face another! Unless of course you know the fight is that way. A team leader is only neccisery to communicate across squads - thats my way of looking at it. And for making the quicker decissions... Almost everyone here has played for a increased span of time and has anuf sence to know what they need to do and when. What they need to be carrying. Also a squad that roles out without checking things like whos carrying what is a doomed squad from the start. Peoples combat experience should be valued in every situation. Thats why i always ran with ingo in every event - because i knew as a FTL that if i died, Ingo could handle it. I didnt like the comment about us not being good INF for the simple fact as you havent seen many of us playing together because we tend to stay out the way from the "Decision making" Unless we are asked or forced into it. Like being in a small like sem called is Spec-ops team. If i lead a squad i will ask every memeber on there idea's before we advance (Depending on having time and if the situation calls for is i will take primary command) but again, all these lads have a lot of experience between them.

Nice work bro!

i Dont think you see it like we do, When we leave on domi. Like me, sparky and random usually go after side misions together. There is always a subconcious leader. Usually me or Random but we always clarify who it is. We just never really have to give out orders because we trust each other in knowing exactly what needs to be done.

I'd like to point out here - I have had no problems leading a team like a democracy... Just for the fact that a lot of the lads are very experienced around here and when your desiding what to do next other people have seen diferent situations and have a multitude of idea's that could be used quickly and effectivly... if under fire. I personally find its better to have everyone shouting out the directions and leading an assault on a position than one person who has half arsed facts on it... Im not sure what you mean by we are not experienced INF. For the most part we have been doing it for 2 years, and if you were in a squad with the lads that have done it for that long you would see the experience shine very bright... Using armor and INF together dosent make you great at anything.. It just in a sence means you want to use other options to get the job done rather than brawling through with INF. Its not a statement to leadership or how good someone is - I Can tell you i see using inf to take on 50 guys would impress me more than using INF to kill 5 and a tank to blast everything else away. I Find your statement about the Leader is kind of true, but voting can be better. In a combat sitaution a leader to call cover - Fire, throw frags - Drop smoke... That is a good call. But having a group that desides where to go next is a good idea in my opinion, thats how i lead my teams... Now about the missions - I think 10-15 is our regular amount, maybe another quick whip up of the mision with an extra fire team incase we get more is a good idea... Also maybe an op-for mision or two could be quite a fun consept... And castor i also agree on doing events with other communities... Me and calv have discussed the consept of doing it with LAMBS some time.

Lol castor most of us have been using it for weeks...

Maybe..

Domi. Hope i'll be able to play... ;-( might have to go to hospital after that game.

Yeah same stands for me i'll be off for about 5 or so days... maybe more Going on a tour in england with rugby team and... ;) working on a private project ^^

For clarification, this is more of just a notice to get everyone to download I44 so we can play over the next few days like we did last time.. was great fun logging on every day to see like 20 people playing I44

Lol yes Oni was very specific about TOMORROW!

So guys, Seeing as Oni wants to play some more I44 and i really like the idea because last time i enjoyed it a lot... Anyone up for I44 tomorrow? hes quite adamant its on thursday so? like all day event sound good to anyone?