Switch Posted February 13, 2012 at 07:16 AM Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 at 07:16 AM I was just wondering if anyone knew whether guns and vehicular weaponry for different factions actually cause different amounts of damage. For example, how many rounds from an AK would it take to shoot down a huey (if you shot it in the exact same spot), and how many rounds from an M4, etc. I'm guessing that every weapon either has an individual damage value attached to it or weapons are grouped in categories (assault rifles, pistols, light machine guns, sniper rifles, etc.). I know for a fact that some weapons that are in the same category have very specific properties (for example, the AT-4 is VERY different from an RPG), but does the same hold true for things like frag grenades and bullets?The same goes for vehicles, should HEIT rounds and all other types of rounds from all apc's do the same exact amount of damage and splash? (amount of ammo is different, but the damage?) I guess another question attached to this is whether vehicles in the same category have the same health value (how many shots does it take to take down a cobra, havok, apache?) I think weapon accuracies are different, but I'm not too sure. I feel like certain weapons are more accurate/powerful than others, but that may just be my bias toward certain guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terremer Posted February 13, 2012 at 07:33 AM Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 at 07:33 AM im fairly positive that the G3 is much stronger than say an m16, since it's a battle rifle after all. I'm not sure on the exact numbers but the guns should be more or less accurate to their caliber and type. Just from shooting vehicles, it takes less ap rounds to kill one than with heat, especially if the vehicle is more armored. i'm also fair;y certain that the havoc can take more damage than a cobra, and that a huey can take a decent amount compared to others.i havent played pr lately so im not 100% sure. they are definately differences though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=VG= CCCode Posted February 13, 2012 at 08:52 AM Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 at 08:52 AM The damage values are in the projectile scripts in pr/objects/weapons_server.zip as far as i know.I'll have at it look later when i get home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=VG= Melon Muncher Posted February 13, 2012 at 09:54 AM Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 at 09:54 AM Well the rifles are basicly what terremer said an ak is about the same as an m4 and the lmg are about the same (about 3 hits to the chest to down him except pkm which I think is 2 shots) mec G3's and the FAL take about 2 shots. marksman rifles about 2 but one shot seriously damages them snipers are one shot kill but thats just average all the rifles do have different values such as time to deploy deviation and all that stuff.HE rounds have a large explosion radius but not much penetration against armour so therefore good for infantry AP is armour piercing no explosion radius but very powerful and good for armour.Helicopter wise all the heavy attack helis have 1000 hit points start bleeding 6 hp every econd once the hit points drop below 600 hueys have 1400 hp blackhawks 1500 and chinooks 1700 the weakest helis being the light attack helis like kiowa, gazelle, wz11 and littlebird with 650 hp each. And the heavy attack cannons have the same damage just different rates of fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=VG= Fastjack Posted February 14, 2012 at 01:06 AM Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 at 01:06 AM Well the rifles are basicly what terremer said an ak is about the same as an m4 and the lmg are about the same !vampire That is not correct! There are differences but u can't see it.The PR-Devs obeyed (irl) the calibres of the weapons an created for them projectiles.The m4's (eotech/aimpoint/ironside or scopeversion) 5.56x45 projectils and AK's 47 7.62x39---------------------- M4 -----------------------------ObjectTemplate.projectileTemplate 556_45_rObjectTemplate.velocity 884---------------------------------------------------------ObjectTemplate.material 3556ObjectTemplate.damage 36ObjectTemplate.minDamage 0.4ObjectTemplate.DistToStartLoseDamage 400ObjectTemplate.DistToMinDamage 1000ObjectTemplate.gravityModifier 0.3--------------------- AK-47 ------------------------ObjectTemplate.projectileTemplate 762_39ObjectTemplate.velocity 715------------------------------------------------------ObjectTemplate.material 3762ObjectTemplate.damage 50ObjectTemplate.minDamage 0.4ObjectTemplate.DistToStartLoseDamage 200ObjectTemplate.DistToMinDamage 1000ObjectTemplate.gravityModifier 0.3Projectiles losing damage at different ranges.MATERIALs have characteristics like resistance, minimum damageloss, friction, elasticity and more abilities.Not to forget, the Damage output of the primary projectiletweak.If the projectile (material3762 5.56x45) collide with another object (material25 Human_head), both materials gonna compared and caluclated. Some Materials absorbing damage like body armors or else.I don't know the exact multiplicators but head has an damage multiplier like 3.It works like that but with MaterialCells. Hard to explain.Excample:U aiming at an enemy, range under 400m with your M4 and pull the trigger.Ur bullet hit the head with a base damage of 36 (multiplier head 3) = 108 - (head_material absorbing 0.01% =1.8) final 106.2 damage.An soldier have actually 100 hitpoints. U killed him.The THING with "not revivable" is triggered by pythoncode.Other aspects are, that the 5.56x45 flying faster as 7.64x39 and losing damage at a range at 400m (7.62x39 at range 200m)But AK's better in CQB. More damage and fullautmode. M4 have only semi- or burstmode.The _r behind the 556_45_r standing for, if the projectile causing richochets.Vehicles have not only different HITPOINT values ! They have different Materials at different locations too like heli_armor and cockpit_glass_penetrable.I mentioned it because yesterday on Lashkar deployment : BLUFOR C4'ed our ammocache and a chopper tried to evac the team.He tried it too close to me. With a smile in my face and a full mag .....ratarattarratttarrrattta.Than ... the Mumble message ... Chopper going down ... pilot shot .... the secondary pilot switched and did an amazing emergency landing betwen trees in a valley. He went out to heal himself with bandages and started the engine.We naded him.Interresting topic, somethings must be researched! !eatmyuziAnd here are small hind : shot in the legs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupago Posted February 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM I have also notice that, if you shoot at key points of the vehicles you can take them down quick, is always good to keep that in mind when you enter in the battlefield! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilgrim59 Posted February 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM Japanese Anime Guns = OVER 9000!!! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=VG= Fastjack Posted February 15, 2012 at 12:29 AM Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 at 12:29 AM I have also notice that, if you shoot at key points of the vehicles you can take them down quick, is always good to keep that in mind when you enter in the battlefield! Maybe someone can test and confirm this vulnerable spot of the spandrel.I needed 6 or 7 mag's (semimode) and the TOW starts burning and explode.I did that with an canadian rifle (C7 or C8 idk) but it can tested with M4's too. Same ammotype (556_45_r). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupago Posted February 15, 2012 at 12:34 AM Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 at 12:34 AM Well to destroy enemy's assests i know it takes 2 frags for the aa (both kinds), if you shoot the LAT to the back side of the APC the are down for sure, also de BTR, i think BMP takes 2 in the back to blow up, tank needs HAT and also to the back side, is the weak point of the armour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=VG= Fastjack Posted February 15, 2012 at 12:42 AM Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 at 12:42 AM If u hit with the HAT the tracks, he's going down i'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupago Posted February 15, 2012 at 12:45 AM Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 at 12:45 AM True but the problem is hiting it in close combat, thats why i always try to remember how many shoots you need with the LAT, weaker but faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=VG= Fastjack Posted February 15, 2012 at 01:20 AM Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 at 01:20 AM That is the problem with citymaps like muttrah or ramiel and missiles weapons.Sometimes it's really strange with handheld AT's.Problem are the deviation settings in the tweaks.U get the best hit results under following conditions:Standing still - aim slowly (keeping in mind the mindistance of 10m) and do that 6.75 seconds before u firing on targets.RPG's need 8.5 seconds to be really ready (i mean, firing without deviation tweak penalties). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupago Posted February 23, 2012 at 11:34 AM Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 at 11:34 AM I have a question, is it really possible to blow up an enemy Tank with LATs? and with APCs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suomikeizari Posted February 23, 2012 at 04:16 PM Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 at 04:16 PM i guess, but its gonna take a huge amount of ammunition. maybe Melon Fast or CC can give us a better answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEDF Posted February 23, 2012 at 04:51 PM Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 at 04:51 PM BMP, bradley and merkova can disable/destroy the tank with one shot and It should take about 6-10 LAT missiles to destroy the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupago Posted February 23, 2012 at 05:16 PM Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 at 05:16 PM LoL 10 shoots, is because i am not able to take them down in fools road with the british's apcs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=VG= Fastjack Posted February 23, 2012 at 07:04 PM Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 at 07:04 PM BMP and Bradley firing a ATGM. It's an anti tank guided missiles like the TOW missile.Merkava: this tank can shot an ATGM too. So with what weapon u fired on the tank T.E.D.F ? The AT round or the ATGM?I believe, 4 LAT missiles can kill a tank, if u hitting the lower back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=VG= SavageCDN (Inactive Duty) Posted February 23, 2012 at 07:13 PM Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 at 07:13 PM hmm..yesterday I must have fired 5 or 6 LAT rounds to the rear or turret rear of a tank on Fools Road... it was smoking but still alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupago Posted February 23, 2012 at 08:36 PM Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 at 08:36 PM Yeah LATs dont do much, and what about the apcs rounds, not missiles, can that kind of ammo destroy the tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEDF Posted February 23, 2012 at 09:01 PM Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 at 09:01 PM Fastjack =VG= LAN_WROTE ...So with what weapon u fired on the tank T.E.D.F ? The AT round or the ATGM? I usually fire 1 ATGM round and then finish the job with AP rounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=VG= Fastjack Posted February 23, 2012 at 09:14 PM Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 at 09:14 PM I usually fire 1 ATGM round and then finish the job with AP roundsGood tactic soldier. Go on with this strategy !cmdo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupago Posted February 24, 2012 at 12:34 AM Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 at 12:34 AM I usually call armour to blow up enemy victors, best tactic ever :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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