ok guys something VERY weird is going on. I called my ISP and i asked them to update my routers firmware, they said it was current and that it needed no update. I look on the forums and found an update but at&t routers will not update on client side (to my knowledge) . So either AT&T is giving me Bull $%@# or I can breath in space.... second now this is going to blow your socks off, I restarted my router to factory default and I can connect WITHOUT port forwarding please someone tell me how that is being done O_o